It seems that things seem to be finally going Jack's way. He manages to convince the mountie that the Agnes Maud is actually his. This infuriates Luther and Freeman to the point where Luther makes plans to kill Jack.
We see the point that Dr. Lacey referred to earlier when he mentioned how important the spelling of Jack's name was...but Jack is not out of danger yet...
a) When Luther is chasing after Jack to kill him, Freeman tells Luther that he won't take part in murdering Jack. Luther reminds him that he was already involved in murder by being involved in the shipwrecks. Why do you think Freeman didn't have a problem with killing people by wrecking ships, but won't get involved in directly killing Jack?
b) We see a "trickier" side of Jack. First he lies about not signing the paper (despite the fact that it was done under duress) and then he kicks Luther. Is this out of character for Jack?
c) The mountie tells Jack that "...even if the law demands proof, sometimes justice doesn't". What does he mean by this?
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A)because it will wash away the avadence but when he does it stright up then they have evadence that it was him.
b) no it is not they have done so much to him and he finally got his revenge.
c)it means that he might not get justic.
a)I think that since Luther and Freeman didn't exactly know the men they killed in the shipwrecks, it makes it easier to kill them. But since they know Jack, it makes it harder to murder someone you have come to know, even if they aren't your favorite person ever.
b)What Jack did surprised me, but I don't think anyone would necessarily lie to the officer when it comes to the law, but he did and it worked out on his part.
c)I don't exactly understand what this meant, could anyone clarrify it for me?
a)because he can wash all the evadence away in the water but if he does it on land there will be evadence that it was them.
b)no he finaly got his revenge
c)that he might not get justic.
a) I think he wouldn’t want to be in a direct murder is because, he could get caught a lot easier, but if was just sinking their boat, it was a lot harder for the people to find out who it was.
b) This doesn’t seem like Jack at all. But I suppose that he could have a side like that to him, I mean we don’t really know what he used to be like. He also could have just been frustrated with the whole situation.
c) That maybe if he can’t find the truth, he might find it in a different way.
A) I think its because he knows that he would get caught, by evidence. But in a ship wreck, he can get away with no explanation.
B) I would say that this doesn’t seem like him, but I think he just got fed up with Luther and Freeman…We probably just haven’t seen the whole part of him. I mean people have different sides.
C) That maybe if he cant find proof, he could get his justice in a different way.
A) I think that Freeman didn't have a problem with killing the people on the shipwrecks because he didn't know them so it was easy to kill them. He won't be involved in killing Jack becuase he knows Jack and he doesn't want to murder somebody that he knows.
B) I think that Jack has been hiding his "trickier" side of him since the first of the book. His true personality is starting to show and we are getting to see the real side of him.
C) I think that maybe it means that the law does demand proof but also sometimes the evidence can prove itself.
RACHELLL.. well i couldnt clarify it for you.. but.. just think.
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A)I think that luther and freeman didnt no the people they killed.
B) It suprised me what jack did, but he did lie to the officer.
C) That he shouldnt touch the file.
a) I think that Freeman will kill other people because he dosn't know them or he has a bad memory with them. But i think that he won't kill Jack because he is to fimiler wil him.
b)No i dont think so i just think that he is doing it because he knows that Luther will do somthing bad to him if he doesn't get him in jail.
c) I think taht he means that he might not get justice.
A)He dosn't want to kill jack because they can ues jack for stuff.
B)No because he needs to do what he can to get it done.
C)It means he dosn't need proof for him self to do stuff.
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a) He doesn't want to get involved in directly killing Jack because the Mountie will get suspicous.
b)I think this is out of character for Jack because at the beginning of the book he was nice and never kicked people.
c) He means that even if the law wants proof the Mountie knows that Freeman and Luther are up to no good.
A) aybe he doesnt want to kill jack because him and luther are already in enough trouble from doing stuff to jack just to get him in trouble.
B) No because he probably couldn't take it anymore with them doing stuff to him.
C) That you shouldnt touch the file.
A) I think that Luther and Freeman did not no who they killed when they killed them on the ship weark but when they try to kill but it would be harder to kill Jack because they no him.
b) This is diffently a diffrent side of Jack , but Jack has gone through so much so i think that all the people deserve Jacks Revenge.
C)Rachel: I am not sure what this means,but i think that maybe it means that even if the law has proff Jusstice does not so maybe Jack might be going back to jail but i dont no. Does anyone else have an idea?
1.I think it will wash away and then he has to do it straght up then he has that thing about him (evidence)
2.No I do not think it is. They have done alot to Jack and now I think he will be getting revengen
3.Truely I am not sure of what it means.
A) If he directly killed jack people might find out that he killed Jack and would get in alot of trouble.
B) I dont think so because he is trying to save himself.
C) This means that even if the law goes one way, justice sees different and knows that he is telling the truth.
a) I think that he didn't have a problem with killing people in the shipwrecks because it wasn't as obvious and if they killed Jack it would be very obvious.
b) I think that this is a little out of character for Jack but he has to do something about Luther and Freeman.
c) I think that he means that it is not always someone's illeagll actions that them in trouble.
I think that when Luther and Freeman kill people not knowing who they where it would be easier killing them.The fact that they know Jack probably makes it harder to murder him even if they dont really like him.
It doesn't really seem like Jack to lie about signing the paper but he pretty much won that.
I dont understand this quote.
#1 because he only wanted the money and the goods so he would of killed jack but he got away.
#2 A good person but with a lieing side of him.
#3 i means that good means bad and bad means good:> i think.
i think he does not have a problem with it becasue there is water and water washes away finger prints and if it a ship wreck they have no proof that they did it.
no he finally got his revenge on them for all they did to him.
that he might not get justic but then again he might get justic.
a) Beacause everybody knows that luther and freeman are enemies and if Jack is killed than they will be the main suspects.
b) haha yes i thought it was hilarious aswell but i thought that it was quite smart how his name is his initials.
c) I think it meens that sometimes the authoraties will be on your side even if they know you're wrongs
a) Beacause everybody knows that luther and freeman are enemies and if Jack is killed than they will be the main suspects.
b) haha yes i thought it was hilarious aswell but i thought that it was quite smart how his name is his initials.
c) I think it meens that sometimes the authoraties will be on your side even if they know you're wrongs
a) because Everbody knows that Freeman and Jack hates each other and it would be odd if Jack just suddlendy disappears but when he killed the people on the shipwrecks he didn't know the people at all.
b)No I think that he is angry so he has had enough so he will do anything to get rid of Freeman.
c) He means even though you need proof for stuff the law may take you into concideration.
1. I think that Freeman doesnt want to kill jack by murder becuase Jack saved his brother in jail.
2. I think that this isnt a normal side of jack, the kick might have been him, but he probably wouldnt lie about the paper.
3. I think that even if you dont have proff, you can find a way to make things right. It means that the law needs proof, but with justice, you could just try to trick them into fessing up somehow, etc.
a) I dont think Freemen had problem with him killing people in ship wrecks because they could say they didnt do it because they could os said they misleaded themselves. But If he try to kill him in person he might be afraid that he could do something back to them or if he lives he could report it.
b)I think this is not out of his charaecter because he was once in jail and he got in a fight and you can also learn lots of tricks when your in jail. So I think Jack did a really sly thing.
c)I think it means when you hink you did teh right thing to the wrong guy. What you did wasnt justice or right
a)I think that he wouldn’t take part in killing Jack is because he just didn’t want to kill someone right up close to the person he is killing. Say of you were a murderer, would you like to kill someone and watch the pain that they are going through well they are dieing, or wouold you rather kill someone by making something happen, in this case “shipwrecks”.
b)I don’t think it is because he is trying to make him feel the same pain that he did when they were beating him up the night before. And I don t think this is out of character for Jack because he is smart not stupid. He uses his brain and he doesn’t go off giving his signature to everybody.
c)That means that if you are using self-defense, sometimes you can’t prove that you were using self-defense. Well, that’s what I think it means any way.
1) He most liekly does not want to kill Jack because of tjhe fact that Jack still does have a fighting chance. All of the other didnt know what was happening before they whee murdered. But Jack does know. Or just prehaps Freemen is starting to turn over a new leaf and is starting to feel guilty.
2) No! Or so I hope not. I really like the new, as you said "Trickier" type of Jack. It is making the story more interesting. and putting back some of the comicals to the story. I like how Jack now understress decided that he would lie to get his way. The author could have just made another character to try and fill in that spot. But ratherly he decided to make the good guy Jack play the Luther and Freemen game. So yes I think it is slightly out of his character but I like it better.
3) Well I truely dont fully understand its meaning. But I would think that justice as long as it knows what it needs then it can get the victims with out full proof.
a) I think that he has a problem killing Jack but not people in the shipwrecks because maybe he knew that somewhere out there in the yard or by the road was Catcher or Everett sitting in the truck waiting for him to come back out, and he didn’t want to be found out.
b) Yes I think he was in desperation for the boat at that time, because that boat means a lot to him. I don’t think that before Jack went to Jail he would have done something like this; he might not have even cared at all.
c) To me, this means that the law will need evidence to settle a crime or whatever, but justice doesn’t need proof, or evidence, or witnesses, all it needs is for something to happen.
if he did try to kill him on the land it would be easy to find evadence for murder. No I dont think it is. its like what goes around comes around.
b. it is out of character cause jack is a pretty nice guy
c. the police need to have justice and we need freedom in the form of karma
Freeman didn't want to kill Jack because if he did, there would be evidence left behind. Where as he did it at sea, there was no evidence.
a) I think he won't directly kill Jack because he sees his face.
b) Yeah.
c) You can't always get what yo deserve.
a) Freeman may not want to kill Jack because he found Jack a worthhy oppoment. Also, if Jack suddenly ends up dead, the first people to be accused would be Luther and Freeman.
b) I think that, that is Jack character and we only saw the nice side of him before. He was in jail, so he must have picked up some tricks there.
When will Jenny come back into the story?
a) Freeman and Luther are smarter then they seem. They have avoided prosecution so far, killing Jack would make it obvious who he was killed by.
b) I don't think he was being out of character, he was just acting out of anger. And he wanted his boat, so he had to use deceit and trickery. His trickery was sort of justified.
c) I think that means if you know whats going on, act upon it. Waiting for paperwork to go through. Or perhaps the Mountie was encouraging Jack to take the matter into his own hands, act as a messenger of vengeance and law at the same time.
I think that he doesnt want to kill Jack because he might not think that wrecking ships isnt the same.
Yes, a little bit. I think he is doing these things because he is getting frustrated with them.
I think it means that if you want to put these guys in jail, you have to bring some proof that they are lying.
a) I think that Freeman found it difficult in killing Jack because he actually knows him and has seen him living. I think he views the people on the boats as just an obstacle instead of a human. Since he never made contact with them before he doesn't take pity on them. Also, they could be suspected for killing Jack since they are mad at him.
b) I think that this is out of character for Jack and it came sort of as a shock to me. He has been influenced by the people in prison and now has lied. His trust is now broken. How does he expect the law to believe that he didn't commit anything when he lies so he can try to get a boat?
c) "Even if the law demands truth... but sometimes justice doesn't" means that even though sometimes we can't proove things by evidence, the right thing or person doesn't always need to be backed up by facts.
A)because he cant stand blood... maybe
Oh, I forgot to post this question in my last comment. Do you plan on writing anymore novels?
A) Freeman doesn't want to kill Jack because i think that Freeman knows Jack more than the people that they kill and it would be different killing Jack.
B) I think he had to lie because he loves the boat and that he had to, to keep the boat.
A) Luther always kills them, not freeman so he doesn't want to kill Jack.........?
B) jack is probably finally fed up with Luther's lieing and steeling, so he kicked him in the nuts.
c) he means what he says, justice doesn't need proof.
A) you can get caught a lot easier than just wrecking ships
B) no, i don't think it is just right
a) he wont kill jack cause he knows hes smart and can get around it he wont be easy to take down.
b) no its not really out of character, hes sneaky and likes to get his way sometime when his way is right. he is smart and mean to people that are mean to him.
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A) I think that the people that they killed early was easier because they didnt know him. But they know jack so they wont do it.
B)No i thinkk that he is just doing this because they did it to him
A) He dost what to get into something that he might not get out of.
B)
b) I don’t really think that it is out of character for Jack he is just reacting to what Luther and the others are doing to him. I also think he was just getting back at Luther for hurting him when he kicked him.
a) i think that freeman can't kill jack because they know him. He didn't know the people in the ship wreak so he can kill them. even though he doesn't like jack he can't kill him because he knows him. and everyone knows that luther and freeman don't like jack, so they would probly get cought.
b) What Jack did surprised me, but I don't think anyone would necessarily lie to the officer when it comes to the law, but he did and it worked out on his part.
c) i dont know
a.) Maybe Freeman likes Jack in a way not to kill him or he doesn't won't to kill anyone anymore.
b.) Of all the things that was done to him, I think that he would do something like that, I know I would if I was him.
c.) It could mean that if there's no proof that, let's say Luther stealing the boat, and the "rep" that he has, I would think that people would accuse him of stealing without proof.
AUTHOR'S COMMENTS #8
Wow, these are tough questions. For the first we really need to dig into Freeman's head. For the second we need to think about right versus wrong. For the third we could write a book bigger than Two Island Light on the philosophy of justice versus law. I'll try to give you my opinion and what I was thinking when I wrote the story.
a. As many of you said, Freeman probably feared detection if he caused the death of Jack face-to-face. But there is more. Freeman is a coward as are many people who hide in the shadows and try to benefit by the losses of others. He was afraid of a confrontation, afraid of detection, afraid of punishment, and probably afraid of the direct act of murder itself. The deaths at sea were remote, not directly attributable to him, and he didn't have to see it happen. The direct hands-on murder of Jack was not in his comfort zone.
b. Jack told a lie, PERHAPS. He said, "It's not my signature." That's not a lie. His signature is NOT "Jack". He said, "It's not my name." That's not a lie. "Jack" is his nickname. "James Austin Charles" is his name. He said, "It's not my handwriting". Well, that may not be a lie either. He was bloodied, beaten up, and shaky. So maybe it wasn't his usual handwriting. He said, "Somebody else signed this". That could be the lie, but then again he was being forced to sign it under duress, under the threat of Catcher's death. Jack felt that it was like being another person, not his usual self. And he actually didn't SIGN it. So the question of the lie is actually very complicated.
Jack felt justified in evading a direct answer by referring to signature, which of course was not his legal signature, as explained. At no time did he say, "I didn't write this". So, I think that Jack was being "tricky" not a liar. Of course that is open to argument. I for one, am ready to forgive him for that, considering the actions of those who were trying to defraud and kill him. Ah, but ethics are so tangled.
c. This is the really tough one, and I'm going to try to simplify a very complex concept. Laws are very specific codes of conduct and procedure that allow society to function in a predictable manner. In a liberal democracy like ours, and most of the western world these laws are designed and structured to protect the innocent, and to ensure that power is not abused. Laws are precise, specific and with little leaway for interpretation.
Justice is the concept of good triumphing over evil. It may be as mythological as a "struggle between the dark side and the force". It may be as religious as "God will get you for that". It may be as philosophical as "He'll get what is coming to him some time".
Laws try to provide justice but because the laws are also protecting people from abuse by law, then sometimes laws fall short of absolute justice.
If somebody is riding their bike along the road and as they pass you walking on the road, they snatch your ice cream cone from your hand, you are a victim of a crime. For the law to act you would have to prove that there was an ice cream cone, that it was yours, that the person took it from you, who that person was, and that they intended to deprive you of it. That's a tall order, for an already melting ice cream cone.
On the other hand, if the person who took the cone hit a rut because they were looking at the cone, and had only one hand on the bike, and they crashed, ruined their bike, skinned their knees, tore their pants, then we might be able to say that justice was served.
"...Even if the law demands proof, sometimes justice doesn't."
As a general rule, we should obey our laws. That's what makes our society safe and civilized. Sometimes we just like to see justice served when the law seems not to work... but that is a risky business. In this case Jack got away with it, because the mountie recognized what the law could not. Justice.
I hope that explains what was meant by that passage. It's very complicated and whole university courses could debate that topic. We won't. GRIN.
I want to compliment those of you who tried to answer that difficult question. Some of you were very close. I also want to compliment those of you who had the courage to say "I don't know". Sometimes it is very hard to admit that you don't know something, but that is the only way that you will learn the true answer.
Katie C, your patience will be rewarded. Jenny is going to come into the story again, soon.
Kyle B, yes, I'm going to write more books. I'm already writing a romantic comedy set in the Caribbean, about a quarter done. It'll be a while, I'm so terribly busy these days.
Now on with the story; maybe the Grand Mananers can tell the others exactly how BAD lobster bait smells.
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